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		<title>Comment on OHSMS Principles by Lee Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that industry has missed an opportunity. ISO 9001 should not be taken as applicable to the production of an organisation’s ‘widgets’, it should be applied to all of their functions including health and safety and environmental management. 

Had this been the case from the onset of the application of standards there would have been no need to develop or implement separate standards. It’s too late to avoid this situation now but we can still improve our performance if we take a more holistic approach to managing all of the aspects of our undertakings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that industry has missed an opportunity. ISO 9001 should not be taken as applicable to the production of an organisation’s ‘widgets’, it should be applied to all of their functions including health and safety and environmental management. </p>
<p>Had this been the case from the onset of the application of standards there would have been no need to develop or implement separate standards. It’s too late to avoid this situation now but we can still improve our performance if we take a more holistic approach to managing all of the aspects of our undertakings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Trust &#8211; but Verify by kalikinkar panda</title>
		<link>http://ohsas18001expert.com/2009/11/13/trust-but-verify/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>kalikinkar panda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I perfectly understand your confusion..The fact is that OHASAS is a management standard developed for the purpose of improving an orgaisation&#039;s  safety and health management system(not performance like no of accidents or injuries directly) by implementing a set of guidelines put forward by a body of safety professionals,industryetc  for achiving the broad objective of accident free work environment and ensuring good health of workers in the said organisation(purely a internal developement effort) but certain industries(retail customer based) which are working in a different objective of using the certificate to either instill a false sense of confidence on not so informed customers like you   for achiving their short term busiiness goals or for  claiming insurance rebate etc without focusing inwardly for real development  as such ....i.e strengthening procedures and practices..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I perfectly understand your confusion..The fact is that OHASAS is a management standard developed for the purpose of improving an orgaisation&#8217;s  safety and health management system(not performance like no of accidents or injuries directly) by implementing a set of guidelines put forward by a body of safety professionals,industryetc  for achiving the broad objective of accident free work environment and ensuring good health of workers in the said organisation(purely a internal developement effort) but certain industries(retail customer based) which are working in a different objective of using the certificate to either instill a false sense of confidence on not so informed customers like you   for achiving their short term busiiness goals or for  claiming insurance rebate etc without focusing inwardly for real development  as such &#8230;.i.e strengthening procedures and practices..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Trust &#8211; but Verify by Tom</title>
		<link>http://ohsas18001expert.com/2009/11/13/trust-but-verify/comment-page-1/#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m new to this blog, and thought this might be the best place to pose a question associated with this particular posting relative to audits.  I reside in Hong Kong and am dealing with a building property management company who claims that they participate in and/or are certified by OHSAS18001 Occupational Safety and Health Management.  There was a recent accident / incident at our building in which this management company was very likely not following the best practices and protocols that are outlined  in the OHSAS18001 specifications / guidelines.  Does anyone know if there is an accreditation board or other governing body which administrates the OHSAS18001 who would be responsible for auditing conformance with these practices?  Or does this system rely solely on internal audits only?  As I am unfamiliar with the system itself and its method of administration, any insight would be greatly appreciated!  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m new to this blog, and thought this might be the best place to pose a question associated with this particular posting relative to audits.  I reside in Hong Kong and am dealing with a building property management company who claims that they participate in and/or are certified by OHSAS18001 Occupational Safety and Health Management.  There was a recent accident / incident at our building in which this management company was very likely not following the best practices and protocols that are outlined  in the OHSAS18001 specifications / guidelines.  Does anyone know if there is an accreditation board or other governing body which administrates the OHSAS18001 who would be responsible for auditing conformance with these practices?  Or does this system rely solely on internal audits only?  As I am unfamiliar with the system itself and its method of administration, any insight would be greatly appreciated!  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creating OHSMS Documentation by Alae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr / Mrs

could you send to me any method to identify the procedures, wi, form................
documentation code ( numbering )


Thanks in advance</description>
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<p>could you send to me any method to identify the procedures, wi, form&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
documentation code ( numbering )</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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		<title>Comment on OH&amp;S Risk Assessment is NOT a Single Process by Developing an OHSMS Risk Management Strategy &#124; OHSAS 18001 EXPERT</title>
		<link>http://ohsas18001expert.com/2008/08/29/ohs-risk-assessment-is-not-a-single-process/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Developing an OHSMS Risk Management Strategy &#124; OHSAS 18001 EXPERT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a previous post, I discussed that there is no single, fill-in-the-blank, process for conducting OHSAS 18002 hazard [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a previous post, I discussed that there is no single, fill-in-the-blank, process for conducting OHSAS 18002 hazard [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is Accountability? by Avelino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avelino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everyone!

Luis, the best traslation,  we find, is not a word, but an expression : &quot;Prestação de contas&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone!</p>
<p>Luis, the best traslation,  we find, is not a word, but an expression : &#8220;Prestação de contas&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on OHSAS 18001 &amp; ISO&#8217;s Risk Management Standards by Thea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct in the difficulty in creating an &quot;inventory&quot; of all OH&amp;S hazards and evaluating the risk associated with each one - parallel to the approach often taken in identifying environmental aspects and impacts for ISO 14001.  This is not an OHSAS 18001 requirement.

The intent is for an organization to use approaches that are appropriate to it.  To quote the OHSAS 18002 guidance - &quot;Each organization should choose approaches that are appropriate to its scope, nature and size, and meet its needs it terms of detail, complexity, time, cost, and availability of reliable data.&quot;  The choice of methodology to be used for the hazard identification and risk assessment is up to the organization (taking into account any applicable legal requirements that may limit the approaches that can be used).

What is enough?  That the approaches chosen, taken together, are comprehensive, i.e. they cover the OH&amp;S hazards within the defined scope of the OH&amp;S management system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct in the difficulty in creating an &#8220;inventory&#8221; of all OH&#038;S hazards and evaluating the risk associated with each one &#8211; parallel to the approach often taken in identifying environmental aspects and impacts for ISO 14001.  This is not an OHSAS 18001 requirement.</p>
<p>The intent is for an organization to use approaches that are appropriate to it.  To quote the OHSAS 18002 guidance &#8211; &#8220;Each organization should choose approaches that are appropriate to its scope, nature and size, and meet its needs it terms of detail, complexity, time, cost, and availability of reliable data.&#8221;  The choice of methodology to be used for the hazard identification and risk assessment is up to the organization (taking into account any applicable legal requirements that may limit the approaches that can be used).</p>
<p>What is enough?  That the approaches chosen, taken together, are comprehensive, i.e. they cover the OH&#038;S hazards within the defined scope of the OH&#038;S management system.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is Competency?  The Answer Seems Subject To Change. by Thea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike ISO 14001, OHSAS 18001 does NOT require that persons &quot;working on behalf&quot; of the organization be competent.  Instead, the requirement is that the organization &quot;ensure&quot; that persons &quot;working under its control&quot; performing tasks that can impact on OH&amp;S are competent.

This is an important distinction.  Individuals may work on an organization&#039;s behalf, and therefore need to be competent for purposes of ISO 14001, but that work may not under the control of the organization.  In that case, the organization does not need to ensure their competency for purposes of OHSAS 18001.  The issue is not the nature of the work being done but the control the organization has over the work activity being performed.

An organization can &quot;ensure&quot; that individuals are competent in a variety of ways.  This can include requiring that contractors are able to demonstrate that their employees have the necessary competency to work safely.

Like ISO 14001, this competency requirement also does not apply to every job, position or task.  In determining what activities &quot;could impact on OH&amp;S&quot; the organization should consider the results of the organization&#039;s risk assessment, whether the tasks being performed are intended to reduce OH&amp;S risks and/or whether the tasks are specific to the implementation of the OHSMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike ISO 14001, OHSAS 18001 does NOT require that persons &#8220;working on behalf&#8221; of the organization be competent.  Instead, the requirement is that the organization &#8220;ensure&#8221; that persons &#8220;working under its control&#8221; performing tasks that can impact on OH&#038;S are competent.</p>
<p>This is an important distinction.  Individuals may work on an organization&#8217;s behalf, and therefore need to be competent for purposes of ISO 14001, but that work may not under the control of the organization.  In that case, the organization does not need to ensure their competency for purposes of OHSAS 18001.  The issue is not the nature of the work being done but the control the organization has over the work activity being performed.</p>
<p>An organization can &#8220;ensure&#8221; that individuals are competent in a variety of ways.  This can include requiring that contractors are able to demonstrate that their employees have the necessary competency to work safely.</p>
<p>Like ISO 14001, this competency requirement also does not apply to every job, position or task.  In determining what activities &#8220;could impact on OH&#038;S&#8221; the organization should consider the results of the organization&#8217;s risk assessment, whether the tasks being performed are intended to reduce OH&#038;S risks and/or whether the tasks are specific to the implementation of the OHSMS.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is Competency?  The Answer Seems Subject To Change. by MOHAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MOHAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is meant competency requirement of workers and those working on behalf of the company</description>
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		<title>Comment on OHSAS 18001 &amp; ISO&#8217;s Risk Management Standards by Matt</title>
		<link>http://ohsas18001expert.com/2008/06/19/ohsas-18001-isos-risk-management-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting questions. I have another one... (which also relates to the post: &#039;OH&amp;S Risk Assessment is NOT a Single Process&#039; ):
As mentionned, to meet the OHSAS 18001 requirements, an organization must:
    -Identify its OH&amp;S hazards 
    -Assess the risks associated with the OH&amp;S hazards that are identified 
    -Determine the controls that are necessary to reduce OH&amp;S risks to an acceptable level 

Knowing that in the latest versions of the standards (9001:2000, 14001:2004 and OHSAS 18001), an effort has been made to ensure that MS were efficient and oriented on the performance of the organization, my question is:

AS PER THE 2007, VERSION of OHSAS 18K1, IS IT REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH A DETAILED AND COMPLETE INVENTORY OF ALL HAZARDS, SYSTEMATICALLY EVALUATE ALL RISKS WITH A CALCULATION METHOD OF SOME SORT AND PRIORITIZE THEM ALL ???

I&#039;m wondering how efficient would it be for an industrial site (a plant) to establish such an inventory ?
Realistically, by the time this is done (several months, years(?)), wouldn&#039;t that end up being a long list, most likely to constantly be outdated and incredibly unefficient; a heavy burden to manage, with no (or very few)  added-value in itself.

Could a combination of various evaluations and activities (and taking inititatives to address main issues) be enough, such as :
- analysis of leading (near misses) &amp; lagging indicators (incidents &amp; accidents); 
- prejob risk assessment;
-(establish site but also departments objectives);
-...
To first identify minor vs major risks (ASSESS) with some well known risk factors (electricity, heights, confined spaces, mobile equipment, moving parts...) and only follow-up (EVALUATE) on major ones? Or am I not properly understanding the definition of &#039;Assess&#039; ?

The idea of course being to decentralize and make people at all levels accountable and ensure that maintaining the OHSMSystem will not only be the business of one or two, but definintely everybody&#039;s role. 

WHAT WOULD BE ENOUGH Risk assessment wise?

I&#039;d like to get opinions on that matter.
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting questions. I have another one&#8230; (which also relates to the post: &#8216;OH&amp;S Risk Assessment is NOT a Single Process&#8217; ):<br />
As mentionned, to meet the OHSAS 18001 requirements, an organization must:<br />
    -Identify its OH&amp;S hazards<br />
    -Assess the risks associated with the OH&amp;S hazards that are identified<br />
    -Determine the controls that are necessary to reduce OH&amp;S risks to an acceptable level </p>
<p>Knowing that in the latest versions of the standards (9001:2000, 14001:2004 and OHSAS 18001), an effort has been made to ensure that MS were efficient and oriented on the performance of the organization, my question is:</p>
<p>AS PER THE 2007, VERSION of OHSAS 18K1, IS IT REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH A DETAILED AND COMPLETE INVENTORY OF ALL HAZARDS, SYSTEMATICALLY EVALUATE ALL RISKS WITH A CALCULATION METHOD OF SOME SORT AND PRIORITIZE THEM ALL ???</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering how efficient would it be for an industrial site (a plant) to establish such an inventory ?<br />
Realistically, by the time this is done (several months, years(?)), wouldn&#8217;t that end up being a long list, most likely to constantly be outdated and incredibly unefficient; a heavy burden to manage, with no (or very few)  added-value in itself.</p>
<p>Could a combination of various evaluations and activities (and taking inititatives to address main issues) be enough, such as :<br />
- analysis of leading (near misses) &amp; lagging indicators (incidents &amp; accidents);<br />
- prejob risk assessment;<br />
-(establish site but also departments objectives);<br />
-&#8230;<br />
To first identify minor vs major risks (ASSESS) with some well known risk factors (electricity, heights, confined spaces, mobile equipment, moving parts&#8230;) and only follow-up (EVALUATE) on major ones? Or am I not properly understanding the definition of &#8216;Assess&#8217; ?</p>
<p>The idea of course being to decentralize and make people at all levels accountable and ensure that maintaining the OHSMSystem will not only be the business of one or two, but definintely everybody&#8217;s role. </p>
<p>WHAT WOULD BE ENOUGH Risk assessment wise?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to get opinions on that matter.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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